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  • The Parks Board Minuteman Woman

    Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 04:00:00 PM

    Mayor Mark Funkhouser wanted to root out “elitism and community divisiveness” when he appointed a new slate of board members for the city’s parks department this week. But tapping Northland activist Frances Semler sparked an immediate rift with the Latino community. Semler, a quiet woman with a librarian's fashion sense, is a member of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps – an anti-illegal-immigration group that pushes citizen patrols of the Southern border, pickets construction sites that supposedly employ undocumented workers and uses military language to describe an “invasion” of immigrants.

    The day she was appointed to the parks board, Semler told The Kansas City Star that she was “not active” in the group. But she has been one of the most active members of the Heart of America chapter since its inception last year.

    When Olathe resident Ed Hayes started the local Minuteman chapter, Semler showed up for the first meeting at a Johnson County library in August 2006. After Hayes gave an introduction to the mission, Joyce Mucci, the chair of the Mid-America Immigration Reform group, spoke to the crowd about the threats posed by a Kansas City-Mexico transportation hub called SmartPort. Mucci warned the group that the hub would be Mexican sovereign territory in the middle of Kansas City, that Mexican workers would gobble up jobs on American soil and that U.S. citizens couldn’t trust Mexican inspectors to ensure the safety of the trucks’ contents. When Mucci couldn’t remember a particular detail, she turned to Semler, who had been her partner in gathering intel on SmartPort. In fact, the Eagle Forum’s Phyllis Schlafly lauded Semler by name in an article she wrote about the SmartPort project in August.

    Even before SmartPort, Semler had appeared with Mucci on CNN. In a February 2005 Paula Zahn Now segment, reporter Tom Foreman interviewed Semler about the growing immigrant population in Missouri. “I think we need to take a look at overall policy and get a handle on it,” she said about the number of immigrants entering the United States. “Maybe even stop it for a while until we can count everybody.”

    Last September, Semler drove 60 miles to the second Minuteman recruiting meeting in Topeka, bringing along her well-worn hardbound copy of Pat Buchanan’s book State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America. She urged the group to read the right-wing politician’s book to get the straight story on the immigration crisis. Later that month, she attended the Operation U-Turn event at the Clarion Hotel, a daylong anti-illegal-immigration seminar featuring national Minuteman leaders, anti-immigration pundits and political sing-alongs with choruses like “You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands.” There, Semler helped Mucci distribute materials for an upcoming workshop on how to lobby elected officials.

    This February, Semler attended a press conference that Hayes organized to announce a partnership between the Minutemen and a Hispanic group. Aside from a small handful of reporters, Semler was among fewer than a half-dozen citizens (including Hayes' wife) in the audience. More recently, Hayes told the Star that Semler was involved in organizing a Minuteman-sponsored anti-illegal-immigration rally in Topeka scheduled for this weekend. “The illegal aliens rally; now it’s time for us to show our support for our country and laws,” the Minuteman Web site says of the demonstration. “Bring signs and flags – American Of Course!”

    Now that Semler has told the Star she’s not so active, maybe she won’t be marching in the rally that she helped organize. – Carolyn Szczepanski

    16 Comments:

    Tom says:

    I am troubled that one can not hold different views on things and be inelgible for a civic position. Noone was critical of Sandra Aust when she led the drive in favor of the stem cell initiative this past summer because most likely most of the readers here favored it. Doesn't this lady have the same right to offer opinions and be active in beliefs that she holds. No, I don't agree wiht her but this group so far has not been violent. They voice their opinion. You may disagree with it but she aslo has been very active as a neighborhood activist in the northland. She has a concern for our parks system. I think she deserves the same respect for her opinion as we gave Ms. Aust and others on the Park Board who have spoken out on things. Heck, no one was critical of Tim Kristil for being a major development lawyer and still serving on the Park Board. Talk about conflict of interests. Just my opinion and thoughts. Thanks.

    Legal Hispanic says:

    Well, it seems ironic that the same self-appointed phantom government that is attacking Frances Semler falls all over themselves when addressing Emanuel Cleaver even though he was a member of a violently criminal organization like the Black Panthers. Is there a double standard at work? Has affirmative action devolved into reverse discrimination and reverse prejudice?

    I have yet to see one conviction of a Minute man member convicted of shooting an illegal alien. What the ethnic tax-exempt-organization-elites have done is throw a tantrum and used slander, intimidation and threats to force a decent person to relinquish her first ammendment rights.

    If they prevail, I'm certain they'll celebrate at Manny's and pat each other's backs for engaging in the same behavior that harmed their parents and grandparents.

    The bigest bullies are ussually those who have been victims themselves. They feel that because they are engaged in a good deed, they are entitled to trample over everyone else's rights.

    Dan says:

    Legal Hispanic:

    You are making stuff up about Cleaver. That's not exactly a way to bolster your credibility.

    Barbara Paulus says:

    I am a member of the Kansas Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. I have met Ms. Semler. I wish to add something to article. There is some misunderstanding about the "Topeka rally" that Semler organized. This rally was not organized by Frances. She had volunteered at one point, but was unable to do the work because of other priorities. She also has not attended most of the groups' meetings. Perhaps you should interview Ms. Semler to get the facts straight.

    As for Semler's comments quoted in the article, none are inflammatory. She thinks there is an immigration crisis in America. Who doesn't think that? All of our US Senators and President Bush agree with her.

    The Minutemen do not attack Hispanics, or illegal immigrants. We are not a group of gun-toting, racist red-necks. We are average people, who are tired of our government not enforcing the laws. We observe and report, we never have contact with illegal aliens.

    Our main beef is with the US Government, not Mexicans, or Hispanics, or immigrants or illegal aliens.

    The comments that have been made about us are out of ignorance. Every applicant to the MCDC pays $50 prior to being accepted, for a background check. We don't want felons in our group. Every applicant is interviewed to determine thier views about immigration, and about illegal immigration. We don't want racists in our group.

    The MCDC has rules and regulations for their ativities, and they are enforced by peer pressure. You can check this out at the
    main site, if you care to actually find out about the organization:

    http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/mmpledge.php


    There is a 23 page training manual: http://www.minutemanhq.com/pdf_files/training_manual2.pdf

    Its too bad the City Council is so uneducated about these topics.

    Are race relations in America so perfect and flawless at the moment that the sole remaining battle is over some old lady in the Board of Parks and Recreation? Do they fear she'll wander around with a bag of bricks and mortar, walling out rogue Hispanics from Swope Park? Better be careful this weekend during the Cave Spring Civil War Re-enactment, she might show up and trap a bunch of illegal immigrants inside a homemade Confederate flag net!

    Let's face it: nothing the woman has said or done can be considered "racist," unless you count the time she picked apples and made a pie with them (at least 10% of the apples should be picked by a minority, or else you end up with a whites-only dessert). Labeling her a racist because she joined an organization opposing illegal immigration is nuts. Sure there are crazies in the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps; anybody who voluntarily sits in a lawnchair looking for invading Hispanics all day is, by pure definition, crazy. But the core theory claiming the US should follow its own illegal immigration laws is fairly common sense.

    This whole "guilt through vague third party association" is beyond nutty, and even if it wasn't, it's the BOARD OF PARKS AND RECREATION for crying out loud. We're talking about a $15 million argument over some lady who eats at The Cracker Barrel and is in charge of removing gum from water fountains. La Raza and the NAACP should be spending their time and money addressing real problems instead of manufacturing inconsequential, meaningless targets who won't affect the people they're "defending" in any possible way.

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    David Huet-Vaughn says:

    I am reading this just before Thanksgiving in 2007 and I am glad to see that someone noticed that Semler looks more like a seasoned activist or even operative than an eccentric old granny. Half the country is made up of grandparents anyway so lets not act like Semler is oppressed or that grandmothers can't be just as human and effective as anyone else.

    It is interesting that the Minuteman organization that expelled Ed Hayes, head of the local Minuteman group, has now put him up as head of Missouri and Kansas. This is the same Ed Hayes that, along with a dozen or so other Minuteman chapter leaders wrote to Simcox, the leader who expelled them.

    Ed Hayes signed the following letter and then Simcox threatened to can all the chapter leaders who dared to write him and ask him questions about the financing. Now everyone is buddy buddy, but read the letters, from Hayes to Simcox and Simcox to Hayes and then Hayes to Simcox again.

    Is it a financial scandal swept under the rug? I don't know.


    *Immigration/US Borders*
    /See other Immigration/US Borders Articles/

    Title: *MCDC Implosion [My title!]*
    Source: *email communication*
    URL Source: http://none
    Published: *May 22, 2007*
    Author: *someone@hotmail.com*
    Post Date: *2007-05-22 15:40:09* by *midwest minuteman*
    Ping List: **Immigration Issues-Borders**
    160 Comments

    -----Original Message-----

    From: someone@hotmail.com

    To: someone@aol.com

    Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 3:15 PM

    Subject: Ad Hoc Committee

    Dear State Leaders, Chapter Leaders and fellow Minutemen, By now you
    have probably heard rumors or received an email about a massive purge of
    your National and State Leaders. These rumors are true. The numbers are
    staggering and to any one who is capable of reason, the devastating
    effect on your MCDC is inescapable. As you review the documents attached
    you will recognize many of the names of those leaders. Maybe one is your
    state leader, or the leader of a State in which you served on the
    border. Others you will recognize by their reputations as long time,
    completely dedicated Minutemen and Leaders. None of these men have ever
    had their dedication questioned, or have ever brought even a hint of
    disgrace or scandal to your MCDC. Each is a proven dedicated Patriot who
    has always kept our mission foremost while&n bsp; fiercely protecting
    the integrity of the organization you and they have built.

    All of you know and /or have served with at least one of these Leaders.
    You know their quality and integrity.

    What great crime was committed by this group to bring about the
    termination of half the National Leadership and almost half of the State
    leadership? As the accompanying documents, the actual termination
    letter, and the e-mails exchanged between this committee of state
    leaders and Chris Carmen, and Al Garza will clearly establish, we were
    terminated for Inviting Chris, Carmen, and Al to a meeting of this
    committee so we could discuss those issues described below. This sounds
    preposterous but read the documents and the e-mails and they will affirm
    that is the reason.

    The following is a rough time line and sequence of events that has led
    to this madness.

    As the serving Deputy Executive Director of MCDC I was charged with
    contacting State Leaders. Toward the end of April of this year I was
    contacted by a Minuteman and asked to moderate a planned conference call
    involving up to 18 State Leaders. I agreed and thought it a good
    opportunity to ascertain the health of the organization as seen through
    the eyes of these state directors.

    During the course of this tele-conference a number of issues developed
    that were common to most of the directors, were of a long standing
    nature , and each had at different times attempted to address these
    issues with Chris, Carmen or Al Garza only to be put off, ignored or the
    promised resolution never developed.

    As you survey the list of grievances attached to this missive you will
    see that most of the issues are certainly not new, all directly affect
    the health of the organization, the credibility of the organization, and
    if there is valid problems the aftermath of those problems will directly
    affect every Minuteman in his community, with his family, and his
    friends as each of us has staked our personal reputations on our
    Minuteman activities.

    During the course of the first tele-conference much of the anger and
    frustration was worked through and the state leaders distilled the
    issues down to 10 distinct areas they felt had to be addressed with
    Chris Simcox as soon as possible as all were tired of being put off,
    ignored or receiving promises for resolutions that were never kept.
    Knowing that Chris was doing a number of speaking engagements across the
    country they discussed flying to one of the cities in which he was
    speaking and having a face to face with him there. Upon learning that
    this speaking tour was in conjunction with a family vacation that plan
    was scrapped as all felt it inappropriate to intrude on the family
    vacation in this manner.

    It was then determined that Chris would be back in Arizona. For the May
    19th Muster. The State leaders determined to set up a meeting in Phoenix
    on the 19th so Chris would have no problem making it as this is his home
    town and he would be there. Still considering myself a facilitator to
    this committee I set up a meeting place and time that would make it easy
    for Chris to attend. I then sent an e-mail to Chris, Carmen, And Al
    notifying them of the meeting. I did not expect Chris to be happy about
    it but neither I nor the State Leaders anticipated the paranoia driven
    nightmare we were about to be plunged into.

    Bob Wright

    Deputy Executive Director

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    STATE CHAPTER LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE

    6501 Greenway Parkway, Suite 103-640, Scottsdale, AZ 85254

    Phone (520) 829-3112

    TO: Chris Simcox, President, Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

    Carmen Mercer, Vice President

    Al Garza, Executive Director

    FROM: State Chapter Director Leadership Committee

    DATE: May 8, 2007

    RE: Requested Meeting / Content

    Dear Mr. Simcox,

    We, the State Chapter Director Leadership Committee request a meeting
    with you and the National Team to discuss the issues we need addressed.
    Many in the committee will be coming in from out of state at our own
    cost; we encourage you to make every effort to attend this meeting. We
    understand you will be in Arizona that day.

    Saturday May 19th 2007

    1PM-5PM

    Clarion Hotel 5121 E La Puenta Ave

    I-10 & Elliot Rd

    Phoenix, Arizona (480)893-3900

    The purpose of this meeting is to openly address the issues and concerns
    that many of us as leaders continue to have, with out resolution. This
    open format presents an opportunity to air grievances, disputes,
    protocol practices, all while in a private arena. We are hopeful that
    the issues we bring to the table will be talked about with hopes of
    resolution, time frame for possible changes, and future direction

    Listed below are the issues in which we would like to discuss:

    1) Financial Accountability: To date, there has not been a serious form
    of financial accountability on many levels, to Chapter Leadership. We
    believe strongly that current accountability should be provided to each
    local and State chapter upon request. Current and past requests go
    unanswered.

    2) New Chapters are not getting the tools and resources they have been
    instructed the will receive, such as seed money and merchandise.

    3) Reimbursement of expenses not made in a timely manner if at all.

    4) Micro-management from Mr. Simcox: It appears to us that 1 person has
    complete control of the organization from financial, operational, new
    chapter development, leadership placement, media and public relations.
    Discuss the problems this presents.

    5) SOP: Long Arms on posts (State to State difference on SOP). I.e.:
    Setting up U- Shaped entrapments at AZ operations in April 2007.
    National interaction over local authority in localized issues.

    6) National Leadership Restructure: Mr. Simcox should remain as Pres of
    MCDC with sole purpose of working our political arm and media/public
    relations. Not involved in operations, chapter management, or finances.
    We seek to have a National Leadership Team that represents the Minutemen
    body of volunteers, and are held accountable by the same. We would like
    to address this restructure to include either appointing National
    Leadership Teams by State Chapter Director Leadership Committee, or by
    an open vote from members of MCDC.

    7) Poor communication structure throughout MCDC leadership, National
    down to local chapter levels. Recommend monthly conference calls,
    regional conference calls.

    8) Full explanation of the status of the 501C-3, relationship between
    Denier, Declaration Alliance, Alan Keyes, MCDC PAC, MCDC Fence and any
    other organization that MCDC has agreements with or intends on
    interacting with.

    9) National HQ Office, is it worth the 60K annual expense to man and
    fund? These are the issues we would like to discuss at great length. We
    firmly believe in the organization we have all built, and do not want to
    see it become fractured. This is our effort to keep MCDC whole, and make
    it possible for future growth. We look forward to meeting with you and
    sharing our ideas.

    Semper Vigilans,

    Bob Wright, NM State Director, National Leadership , Committee Chair SDL
    Committee

    Bill Irwin, National Operations Officer

    David Jones (Pineapple 6), Prescott AZ Chapter Director

    Pete Lanteri, NY Chapter Director

    Greg Thompson, OK Chapter Director, New Chapter Development Director

    Hal Washburn, WA Ops Director

    Warren Mcquiggen, National Communications Officer

    Walter Adams, PA Chapter Director

    Jim Furnison, OH Chapter Director

    Ed Hayes, KS Chapter Director

    Jeff Henry, CO Chapter Director

    Dennis Murphy, NE Chapter Director

    Ron Oplinus, NH Chapter Director

    Claud Leblaus, WA Chapter Director

    Tom Franiac, MO Chapter Director

    Jim Carter, TN Chapter Director

    Mike Forest, OR Chapter Director

    Stacey O'Connell, Minuteman, past Phoenix Chapter Director, past AZ
    Chapter Director

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    Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

    6501 Greenway Parkway Suite 103-640

    Scottsdale, AZ 85254

    Phone (520) 829-3113

    Bob Wright

    May. 14, 2007

    PO Box XXXX

    XXXX XXth Street

    XXXXXX, XX XXXXX

    Subject: Unauthorized State Directors Meeting in Phoenix, AZ 5/19/2007

    To: Bob Wright and Appended CC List

    In response to your letter of May 8, 2007 to Chris Simcox, Carmen Mercer
    and Al Garza you are notified that the meeting scheduled for Saturday
    May 19th 2007 at 1PM-5PM at the Clarion Hotel in Phoenix, Arizona you
    have proposed is unauthorized, and under no circumstances is it
    sanctioned or approved by the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, Inc.

    Further, the Board of Directors of MCDC, Inc. has at no time authorized
    a "State Leadership Committee" and this shadow entity and any business
    or actions proposed by it violate the organizational chain of command
    most recently and formally agreed to in leadership meetings held with
    national leadership volunteers October 2006. By calling a "State
    Directors Meeting" you have violated the official corporate By-Laws of
    MCDC, Inc. regarding legal authority for conducting business and affairs
    for the corporation.

    Additionally, the proposed listed agenda is not within the scope of any
    tasks assigned to Bob Wright, who volunteered to report to Al Garza in a
    purely administrative role to provide support to MCDC Board-appointed
    national leaders to plan successful border operations and assist in
    expanding the number of state locations seeking to establish MCDC chapters.

    This proposed meeting therefore cannot be called by Mr. Wright nor his
    associates, nor conducted to address MCDC business as it relates to any
    aspect of MCDC operations, procedures or organizational structure.

    It is the right of anyone to freely assemble. However, this letter will
    serve as notice to all those listed in the "CC Appendix"? of Mr.
    Wright's May 8, 2007 communication that Bob Wright, Greg Thompson,
    Stacey O'Connell and Bill Irwin have been terminated for cause as
    volunteers and volunteer leaders within MCDC. This proposed meeting is
    not an MCDC sanctioned meeting and should you choose attend with the
    stated purpose and meeting agenda, you will be terminated by MCDC.

    Your written response, confirmed via facsimile sent to 281-242-9820, for
    MCDC Arizona Headquarters records, is required by 5 PM EST on 5/16/2007.
    Your response must include a statement of whether you have elected to
    withdraw from this proposed unsanctioned meeting and wish to continue
    with MCDC affiliation, or resign.

    If you fail to respond within this deadline to the above referenced fax
    number, MCDC will assume you have elected to resign all association and
    affiliation with Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

    If you have any questions or would like to discuss this matter further,
    do not hesitate to contact any of the members of the Board of Directors
    or the Executive Director, listed below.

    Sincerely,

    Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

    Chris Simcox, President MCDC Board Chairman

    Carmen Mercer, Vice President MCDC Board Member

    John Acer, Secretary MCDC Board Member

    Al Garza, Executive Director

    Cc:

    Bill Irwin, National Operations Officer

    David Jones (Pineapple 6), Prescott AZ Chapter Director

    Pete Lanteri, NY Chapter Director

    Greg Thompson, OK Chapter Director

    Hal Washburn, WA Ops Director

    Warren Mcquiggen, National Communications Officer

    Walter Adams, PA Chapter Director

    Jim Furnison, OH Chapter Director

    Ed Hayes, KS Chapter Director

    Jeff Henry, CO Chapter Director

    Dennis Murphy, NE Chapter Director

    Ron Oplinus, NH Chapter Director

    Claud Lebas, WA Chapter Director

    Tom Franiak, MO Chapter Director

    Jim Carter, TN Chapter Director

    Mike Forest, OR Chapter Director

    Stacey O'Connell

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    MEMORANDUM

    TO: Chris Simcox

    FROM: State Directors and National Leadership Ad Hoc Committee

    DATE: May 21, 2007

    SUBJECT: Motion

    SENT: Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested

    Enclosed please find a Motion, passed by the State Directors and
    National Leadership Ad Hoc Committee on Saturday, May 19, 2007 by
    unanimous vote of 13 of the members.

    Motion:

    Resolved May 19, 2007 by the State Directors and National Leadership Ad
    Hoc Committee

    Whereas;

    the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps Deputy Executive Director was directed
    to contact the State Directors on a regular basis

    And

    Whereas;

    in the course of fulfilling the directive, many questions arose and
    requests for a national meeting to discuss problems was overwhelmingly
    asked for by the State Directors. Therefore a meeting was scheduled at a
    time and place thought to be convenient for Chris Simcox; this meeting
    was offered in good faith with a goal of resolving these important
    issues including managerial misconduct, in confidence and minimizing the
    turmoil within the organization

    And

    Whereas;

    Chris Simcox responded to the proposed meeting with the attached letter
    which threatens the very existence of the organization at a time in our
    nation's history when it is vital for all citizens to work to secure our
    borders and prevent amnesty.

    We therefore move, and resolve that we have lost confidence in Chris
    Simcox's ability to lead Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

    We move that Mr. Simcox reinstate the unjustly terminated Minutemen
    immediately, and restore them to the positions they held. Mr. Simcox
    shall be given through May 24, 2007 to schedule a meeting for all State
    Directors, to be held no later than 10, June 2007. At which the issues
    enumerated in the attached letter sent to Mr. Simcox on May 8, 2007 will
    be discussed and resolved. In addition a business plan will be developed
    at this meeting that will provide the volunteers an effective voice in
    the direction and leadership of MCDC. The plan must include a Leadership
    Council, or Board of National Leaders and State Directors which will,
    from that date forward provide input and oversight into the organization
    in an effort to end the one man rule MCDC currently operates under. All
    expenses in curred by the state directors to attend this meeting will be
    reimbursed by MCDC.

    Failure to respond to this motion by May 25, 2007 will result in the
    entire matter being turned over to the national media for their
    investigation.

    Passed by a unanimous vote of 13 ad hoc committee members:

    Please contact Bob Wright if you have any questions or comments!

    Bob Wright

    Deputy Executive Director

    520 559 5811

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    *1.* To: *idratherbepainting, Gatlin, mel_living* (#0
    )

    ((((((((((((((PING!!!!))))))))))))

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 15:40:45 ET Reply
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    *2.* To: *All, idratherbepainting, mel_living, Gatlin, *Immigration
    Issues-Borders** (#0 )

    /8) Full explanation of the status of the 501C-3, relationship
    between Denier, Declaration Alliance, Alan Keyes, MCDC PAC, MCDC
    Fence and any other organization that MCDC has agreements with or
    intends on interacting with. /

    What we've been asking for months!!!

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 15:43:29 ET Reply
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    *3.* To: *irish kate* (#0 )

    ...

    *mel_living* posted on 2007-05-22 15:59:28 ET Reply
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    *4.* To: *midwest minuteman* (#0 )

    /"It is the right of anyone to freely assemble. However, this letter
    will serve as notice to all those listed in the "CC Appendix"? of
    Mr. Wright's May 8, 2007 communication that Bob Wright, Greg
    Thompson, Stacey O'Connell and Bill Irwin have been terminated for
    cause as volunteers and volunteer leaders within MCDC. This proposed
    meeting is not an MCDC sanctioned meeting and should you choose
    attend with the stated purpose and meeting agenda, you will be
    terminated by MCDC". /

    LOL..I had this arrogant bastard pegged years ago and even said so
    before he accumulated so much power, takes some a little longer tho to
    finally see!

    Find a way to get rid of him men or your all going down and the cause
    with it!

    */RebelGal/*

    *Murron* posted on 2007-05-22 16:10:50 ET Reply
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    *5.* To: *Murron* (#4 )

    /Find a way to get rid of him men or your all going down and the
    cause with it! /

    Amazing what happens when one "receives" power....and then lets others
    control him!

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 16:12:33 ET Reply
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    *6.* To: *Murron* (#4 )

    They'd been requesting a meeting for a while. They finally arrange on in
    the town Simcox resides in on a day Simcox can make it, and Simcox not
    only is a no show, he fires all the State leaders?!!! I am not
    surprised. I agree. Get rid of Scumcox, reinstate the chapter leaders
    and give them some answers! If anybody deserves answers, it's them!

    *mel_living* posted on 2007-05-22 16:18:41 ET Reply
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    *7.* To: *midwest minuteman* (#5 )

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    / Amazing what happens when one "receives" power....and then lets
    others control him! /

    LOL!!

    *Amazing what happens when one "receives" power....and then lets others
    control him!"*

    */RebelGal../*

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    *8.* To: *mel_living* (#6 )

    /They'd been requesting a meeting for a while. They finally arrange
    on in the town Simcox resides in on a day Simcox can make it, and
    Simcox not only is a no show, he fires all the State leaders?!!! /

    And wasn't the May muster suddenly cancelled.....

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 16:25:45 ET Reply
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    Happy2BMe-OnLP* (#0 )

    ....

    *mel_living* posted on 2007-05-22 16:25:51 ET Reply
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    *10.* To: *mel_living* (#6 )

    /Scumcox /

    I like!!!

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 16:26:44 ET Reply
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    *11.* To: *midwest minuteman* (#8 )

    I believe this is why the May muster was cancelled. Scumcox is bringing
    them all down. They need to get rid of him.

    *mel_living* posted on 2007-05-22 16:27:23 ET Reply
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    *12.* To: *mel_living* (#11 )

    /Scumcox is bringing them all down. They need to get rid of him. /

    And to think if all those good folks in Cochise County, back when
    scumcox bought the Tumbleweed had the foresight...

    The con and fleecing continues!!!

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 16:31:27 ET Reply
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    *13.* To: *mel_living* (#11 )

    All of this is so very sad.

    *AuntB* posted on 2007-05-22 16:33:48 ET Reply
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    *14.* To: *AuntB* (#13 )

    It is very sad, but we all knew way back when that things weren't quite
    right. The members of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps have done so
    much for the cause. I hope they can all come together and overcome this.

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    *15.* To: *mel_living* (#14 )

    /The members of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps have done so much
    for the cause. /

    And let's not forget the ORIGINAL (non-scumcox) members of Civil
    Homeland Defense!!!

    *midwest minuteman* posted on 2007-05-22 16:45:18 ET Reply
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    *16.* To: *midwest minuteman* (#0 )

    /"If you fail to respond within this deadline to the above
    referenced fax number, MCDC will assume you have elected to resign
    all association and affiliation with Minuteman Civil Defense
    Corps".~ Chris Simcox /

    Someone wrote an artical back last year (oct.) titled: "Why Does
    Violence Follow Gilchrist but Not Simcox? Is There A Reason?"

    The author wrote this attacking Gilchrist. Saying things like: "Is
    Gilchrist up to something?"

    They asked: "The burning question of the day is why do the 'protests'
    against minutemen, et. al Jim Gilchrist become violent but those against
    Chris Simcox don't? Is there a reason?"

    From my own observations, I have seen that "violence" follows and only
    errupts if we or the Minutemen are doing something "right". What I have
    wondered about is "why is there no protest or violence" surrounding Chis
    Simcox? What has he been up to?

    I see a lot of attempts to shut Gilchrist down from all sides but none
    from the enemy what-so-ever where Simcox is concerned. Why?

    I see American citizens marching and protesting in the streets met with
    many kinds of violence but Simcox is no where in sight. Why?

    In my opinion, Chris Simcox is not the chosen. He is not a leader of
    men. He is one of two types of people. He is either a "Coward" who will
    avoid "violence" at any cost or he is a "Traitor" who has been paid off.

    I would love to know what his personal wealth is today as compared to
    what it was when he first came into public view. jmho~

    */RebelGal/*

    *Murron* posted on 2007-05-22 17:02:20 ET Reply
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    *17.* To: *Murron* (#16 )

    /He is either a "Coward" who will avoid "violence" at any cost or he
    is a "Traitor" who has been paid off. /

    Can he be both?

    Yes, many have tried to shut Gilchrist down and he comes back with
    answers to the questions asked and he comes back fighting. Knowing the
    channels the $$ donated to MDCD flow through, I'd say pay off.

    *mel_living* posted on 2007-05-22 17:08:37 ET Reply
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    *18.* To: *All* (#0 )

    Kudos, many thanks and best wishes to the following:

    Bob Wright, NM State Director, National Leadership , Committee Chair SDL
    Committee

    Bill Irwin, National Operations Officer

    David Jones (Pineapple 6), Prescott AZ Chapter Director

    Pete Lanteri, NY Chapter Director

    Greg Thompson, OK Chapter Director, New Chapter Development Director

    Hal Washburn, WA Ops Director

    Warren Mcquiggen, National Communications Officer

    Walter Adams, PA Chapter Director

    Jim Furnison, OH Chapter Director

    Ed Hayes, KS Chapter Director

    Jeff Henry, CO Chapter Director

    Dennis Murphy, NE Chapter Director

    Ron Oplinus, NH Chapter Director

    Claud Leblaus, WA Chapter Director

    Tom Franiac, MO Chapter Director

    Jim Carter, TN Chapter Director

    Mike Forest, OR Chapter Director

    Stacey O'Connell, Minuteman, past Phoenix Chapter Director, past AZ
    Chapter Director

    *mel_living* posted on 2007-05-22 17:15:18 ET Reply
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    *19.* To: *AuntB, idratherbepainting, mel_living, irish kate, midwest
    minuteman, Murron, AuntB, buckeroo, liberator, Indalay, Happy2BMe-OnLP,
    Marine Inspector, JackelopeBreeder, * (#13 )

    /All of this is so very sad. /

    Sad like hell, it is a gloriously wonderful happening. There are some
    who have known this was going to happen for a couple of years now and
    repeatedly sounded the clarion.

    Those who have checked back into the history of the actions and the
    personal character traits of this individual, *as everyone should have*,
    have long seen Chris Simcox for what is he and have seen what he does.

    Chris Simcox needed to be exposed and held accountable a long time ago.
    For these people to have waited so long, they should now hang their head
    in disgrace and in shame for they have let many, many Americans be
    deceived and conned into contributing their hard earned and long saved
    money.

    For his actions, the workings of his mind is a complex wonder. He did
    not earn the title of ?Little Prince? for nothing.

    It is a great day for the dumb idiots who blindly followed. They have
    come to their awakening day and now fully realize that the slept in a
    bed of fleas, so they must scratch, scratch and scratch.

    Feel no sadness for these people or for the situation, AuntB, feel only
    happiness.

    There should be no sympathy for these people that Simcox kicked out,
    have deep sympathy and great compassion only for the thousands of good
    folks who have been conned.

    For these ?sheep? blindly following their anointed savior and redeemer,
    we all can now ask: *?What in the hell took you so long?? *

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    *20.* To: *midwest minuteman, mel_living* (#1 )

    Thank you both for your many efforts and your long struggle. You both
    knew all along this was coming. You saw what many could not, or did not
    want, to see.

    Those who have called you names over these past few years and have
    posted nasty and hateful remarks to you for taking your stand now owe
    you not only an apology, but they should pay you a debt of gratitude.

    You can feel proud today for standing against the mass opinion and for
    continuing call it like it is.

    Fight the Fight - That you did!

    Again, I thank you,
    Gatlin

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    *21.* To: *midwest minuteman* (#2 )

    /What we've been asking for months!!! /

    YES - YES - YES!

    *Gatlin* posted on 2007-05-22 17:57:09 ET Reply
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    *22.* To: *Gatlin* (#19 )

    As I did and you did and others who have been on top of this issue,
    speaking out and being attacked at every turn, now they will eat their
    own. What's sad is that there was perfect opportunity to make this thing
    work wonders and as they say, one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

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    *23.* To: *Murron* (#4 )

    /LOL..I had this arrogant bastard pegged years ago and even said so
    before he accumulated so much power . . . /

    As did a few others here of LP.

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    *24.* To: *mel_living* (#6 )

    /They'd been requesting a meeting for a while. /

    Dictators don't do meetings - They do decrees!

    *Gatlin* posted on 2007-05-22 17:59:37 ET Reply
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    *25.* To: *midwest minuteman* (#8 )

    /And wasn't the May muster suddenly cancelled..... /

    I was searching to find out why - And now we all know why!

    *Gatlin* posted on 2007-05-22 18:00:24 ET Reply
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    *26.* To: *Mercuria* (#20 )

    And thank you, Mercuria, wherever you are.

    *Gatlin* posted on 2007-05-22 18:04:17 ET Reply
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    *27.* To: *Murron, gatlin* (#4 )

    /Find a way to get rid of him men or your all going down and the
    cause with it! /

    bump!

    *Scrivener* posted on 2007-05-22 18:09:24 ET Reply
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    *28.* To: *Scrivener* (#27 )

    Wife and I just quit administration on the forums and have faxed in our
    resignations to MMHQ. I have too many friends in those leaders and
    fellow members, and believed so strongly in the organization and its
    ideals that I defended it against all attacks.

    I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to anyone whom I may
    have pissed off (mel_living comes to mind) in my defense of the
    organization. I just have to say this: as someone not in management but
    simply the guy who ran the forums and stood at post on the border, I
    don't want this to discredit any of the regular Minutemen who believed
    in, and who CONTINUE to believe in, the cause. Regardless of the
    opportunity some may see for gloating at my expense, I am here to tell
    you that I stand with these leaders and want answers too. I have a lot
    of my life invested in the MCDC, and don't want it to fail.

    So, again, to any and all whom I may have offended in my defense of the
    organization, according to what I was told all along (not being high up
    on the food chain) I don't offer this as an excuse, but an explanation:
    we didn't know this was coming. I hope it can be resolved. Until it is,
    however, I can't be a part of the organization. All I ask is that people
    don't, in their rush to gloat at possible problems with the MCDC, assume
    that the regular volunteers were at fault.

    Thanks to all, and perhaps I'll see you on the border, in one capacity
    or another. I have a set of Gen-3s and some body armor that will be
    sitting in my closet until I have the opportunity to go down there again.

    Formerly Tony MCDC on the MCDC forums.

    *CaptHerp* posted on 2007-05-22 20:17:05 ET Reply
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    *29.* To: *Gatlin, joeusa, AuntB, idratherbepainting, mel_living, irish
    kate, midwest minuteman, Murron, AuntB, buckeroo, liberator, Indalay,
    Happy2BMe-OnLP, Marine Inspector, JackelopeBreeder, * (#19 )

    /Those who have checked back into the history of the actions and the
    personal character traits of this individual, as everyone should
    have, have long seen Chris Simcox for what is he and have seen what
    he does. /

    / Chris Simcox needed to be exposed and held accountable a long time
    ago. For these people to have waited so long, they should now hang
    their head in disgrace and in shame for they have let many, many
    Americans be deceived and conned into contributing their hard earned
    and long saved money. /

    / For his actions, the workings of his mind is a complex wonder. He
    did not earn the title of ?Little Prince? for nothing. /

    ====================================================

    My feelings on that:

    MESSAGE FROM CHRIS SIMCOX - Times retraction soon. MCDC Leadership:
    Public Response to Critics

    My feelings on that:

    MESSAGE FROM CHRIS SIMCOX - Times retraction soon. MCDC Leadership:
    Public Response to Critics

    Minuteman Jim Gilchrist, left, voices a strong opinion to a local
    resident, right, who would only be identified by the name Perry Saturday
    during an anti-illegal immigration rally in Carmel Valley.
    * Bill Wechter *

    Protest over illegal McGonigle Canyon dwellings draws hundreds

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    *30.* To: *Gatlin* (#19 )

    /All of this is so very sad. /

    / Sad like hell, it is a gloriously wonderful happening. There are
    some who have known this was going to happen for a couple of years
    now and repeatedly sounded the clarion. /

    / Those who have checked back into the history of the actions and
    the personal character traits of this individual, as everyone should
    have, have long seen Chris Simcox for what is he and have seen what
    he does. /

    / Chris Simcox needed to be exposed and held accountable a long time
    ago. For these people to have waited so long, they should now hang
    their head in disgrace and in shame for they have let many, many
    Americans be deceived and conned into contributing their hard earned
    and long saved money. /

    / For his actions, the workings of his mind is a complex wonder. He
    did not earn the title of ?Little Prince? for nothing. /

    / It is a great day for the dumb idiots who blindly followed. They
    have come to their awakening day and now fully realize that the
    slept in a bed of fleas, so they must scratch, scratch and scratch. /

    / Feel no sadness for these people or for the situation, AuntB, feel
    only happiness. /

    / There should be no sympathy for these people that Simcox kicked
    out, have deep sympathy and great compassion only for the thousands
    of good folks who have been conned. /

    / For these ?sheep? blindly following their anointed savior and
    redeemer, we all can now ask: ?What in the hell took you so long?? /

    Good grief, Gatlin. What has happened to everyone's memory around here?
    Half the time most of you seem like you can't even remember who or what
    to be mad at. I was one of the first people to talk about the problem,
    July '06

    http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2006/08/all-minute-men-are-not-created-equal.html.


    And yes, it's damn sad because it makes everyone trying to control the
    borders look like a bunch of grifters and freaks and hurt a lot of good
    minutemen and women.

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    /There should be no sympathy for these people that Simcox kicked
    out, have deep sympathy and great compassion only for the thousands
    of good folks who have been conned. /

    Hello everyone, Im new on this forum. I want to respond to the comment
    listed above.

    What has happened to MCDC is a result of Simcox and Denier Associates,
    American Caging and Declaration Alliance. What is taking place is
    failure by Mr Simcox to allow himself to be confronted by leadership
    members of the MCDC nationwide. Those leadership members are from the
    regular volunteer pool of about 5200 MM members, again nationwide. I
    will tell you that the MM on that committee that you all have read
    about, were and are great Minutemen, dedicated Patriots, but strong
    willed individuals. They do not ask for your sympathy. They do not ask
    for you to gloat over the issue or event. They stood thier time with
    MCDC for a Cause, of which we are all in for. They stood in their home
    state chapters, without knowing Mr Simcox personally, without regards to
    past fighting, and they worked through the menial issues for the
    betterment of our Immigration Systems. They deserve commendation.

    Many feel as though MCDC members have been conned. I will agree with
    that opinion. Right now we are dealing with the court of public opinion,
    and those opinions are based soley on past actions, as no fact finding
    or confrontation is allowed by Mr Simcox. Per the instruction on the
    letter to Mr Simcox, he not only has a vote of No Confidence, he also
    has until 5PM May 24th to schedule a proper meeting with all State
    Directors nationally, to address these issues no later than June 10th.
    In order to be unbiased, it is wise to await Mr Simcoxs response to that
    request, before any further action or opinion is required.

    Until then, I ask that you refrain from making broad statements that the
    MM that took this measure to National Leadership; as goons or 'part of
    the problem', as in fact they were the very team that worked to resolve
    internally the issues that have created such low moral within MCDC. The
    organization is led by one person, and one person alone; and that person
    is Chris Simcox. He will be responsible for our success, or our demise.

    *ArizonaPrick* posted on 2007-05-22 21:28:20 ET Reply
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    *32.* To: *ArizonaPrick* (#31 )

    /Until then, I ask that you refrain from making broad statements
    that the MM that took this measure to National Leadership; as goons
    or 'part of the problem' /

    You won't find that here. Even the quote you used does not say that.
    Several members of this forum are the MM you talk about.

    *farmfriend* posted on 2007-05-22 21:32:45 ET Reply
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    *33.* To: *ArizonaPrick* (#31 )

    /There should be no sympathy for these people that Simcox kicked
    out, have deep sympathy and great compassion only for the thousands
    of good folks who have been conned. /

    Just want you to know the quote above you addressed to me is NOT mine.

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    *34.* To: *AuntB* (#33 )

    /Just want you to know the quote above you addressed to me is NOT
    mine. /

    Poster's one and only post. Probably doesn't know how to use the forum
    yet. I did take offense to one line in his post.

    *farmfriend* posted on 2007-05-22 21:34:31 ET Reply
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    *35.* To: *mel_living* (#11 )

    The May Muster was cancelled out of fear that members of the Committee,
    in Arizona that weekend for the scheduled meeting with Mr Simcox, would
    come to the operation, confront him, and shut the operation down, in
    front of God and the Minutemen volunteers. That was never discussed,
    planned or intended. Simcox, Mercer and Garza cancelled the operation
    out of fear. They failed to attend the scheduled meeting out of fear.
    Who acts this way? People who have something to hide, and people that
    are afraid.

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    *36.* To: *farmfriend* (#34 )

    Yes-still learning how to work this thing, I did not mean to offend
    anyone, sorry if thats the case.

    *ArizonaPrick* posted on 2007-05-22 21:38:23 ET Reply
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    *37.* To: *ArizonaPrick* (#35 )

    /People who have something to hide /

    Exactly.

    *farmfriend* posted on 2007-05-22 21:38:51 ET Reply
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    *38.* To: *ArizonaPrick* (#36 )

    /I did not mean to offend anyone /

    No problem. If you have any questions about this forum system just ask.
    Happy to help.

    BTW, welcome to Liberty Post.

    *farmfriend* posted on 2007-05-22 21:39:59 ET Reply
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    *39.* To: *farmfriend* (#34 )

    I took no offense to his post. I'm sure he's confused.

    It's the rest of the crowd around here lately. Is it the clowns or what
    is up?? No one is thinking or reading just whining and moaning.

    Catch you later, farmfriend, gotta take a break from all this nonsense.

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    /I took no offense to his post. I'm sure he's confused. /

    It was the part where he asked us not to call the MM goons or part of
    the problem. I don't see anyone here doing that.

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