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  • Raising Arizona: Edwin Hall's Summer Love Reappears

    Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 12:10:09 PM
    Edwin R. Hall
    Pop quiz. Which of these describes the plot of a summer teen blockbuster?

    1. Three seniors in high school, hellbent on losing their virginity, embark on an odyssey to score alcohol for a hot girl’s party. Police chases, male bonding and summer love ensue.

    2. A cute teenage runaway seeks asylum from authorities at an apartment that three older guys share. Four days of Rob Zombie movies, booze, joints and sex ensue. The girl falls for one of the older boys and, after a petty-crime spree and a drive to Arizona, he meets her family and is subsequently punched in the nose. The lovers part.

    Until three years later, when they find themselves across from each other in a courtroom.

    The first plot is that of Superbad.

    Plot No. 2 is Edwin Hall’s life.

    Yesterday in Johnson County Court, 26-year-old Hall faced a now-17-year-old girl who alleges that she and Hall had sex three times in the summer of 2004. Hall has already pleaded not guilty to charges of capital murder, kidnapping, rape and aggravated sodomy in a separate case, the death of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith.

    Charges -- two counts of aggravated indecent liberties with a child -- were filed on behalf of the 17-year-old, who was brought back to Kansas to testify from the Arizona detention center where she resides; she will be released in December.

    Half a dozen reporters sat in the gallery, as did Hall’s wife, Aletha. Also present was Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline, to watch his most high-profile prisoner face his accuser – and to hear not-very-juicy details of underage sex.

    “Jack was hitting on me some more or whatever,” the girl responded when Chris McMullin, the attorney for the state, asked her what happened. “He pinched my butt, and he kept saying he wanted to know me better, and we started making out.”

    Hall then told his roommates to leave the room, the girl said.

    “What happened next?”

    “Um. We had sex.”

    “So, intercourse?” McMullin asked.

    “Yes.”

    “Is that something you wanted to do at the time?”

    “Yes.”

    “Did you spend the night with him?”

    “Yes.”

    “Did you use protection? If I say ‘protection,’ do you know what I’m referring to?”

    “A condom? No.”

    McMullin led the girl through the rest of her story: how she and Hall were busted stealing from unlocked cars but managed to meet up again in Lawrence. From there, he drove her to her biological mother’s house in Arizona. At some point along the way, Hall spoke to the girl’s family on the phone and later told the girl about the conversation.

    Someone from the girl’s family told Hall to “keep his pecker in his pants, and he said that it was too late for that,” the girl explained.

    When she arrived at her house, the girl was told by her family to take a walk with her sister. “When we got back [Hall] had a rag on his face and his nose was all bloody and his face was all bloody.”

    When given his chance to cross-examine the girl, Hall’s attorney, Paul Cramm, attempted to set up an alternate scenario: that Ray, the first roommate in the house that the girl met, had hit on her, which she didn’t appreciate, so she asked Hall to act like her boyfriend.

    “What did you think of Ray?” Cramm asked.

    “He was a nice person.”

    Cramm asked her if Ray had told her that he could stop a wristwatch with his mind. She said he had.

    “So maybe everything’s not all right with him,” Cramm said. “Do you remember telling [Hall] that Ray made you nervous?”

    “Yes.”

    “And you said, ‘Can we act like an item so Ray will leave me alone?’”

    “No.”

    Cramm’s next line of questioning aimed at weakening the girl’s credibility and drew more details out of her: how she escaped from juvenile detention centers regularly, had given the police false names when arrested, was on Zoloft, suffered from depression and had seen a counselor ever since the death of her adopted mother on April 20, 2002.

    Neither attorney had further questions. This being a preliminary hearing, the judge ruled only that there was sufficient evidence for a real trial.

    Hall’s next court date is October 19. He has entered a not guilty plea.

    Maybe Hall can sell a screenplay about his Arizona romance. -- Nadia Pflaum

    Category: News

    40 Comments:

    Anonymous says:

    Um, he was 23 at the time. He wasn't "one of the older boys."

    IvyHere says:

    Anon.........what would you can a 23 year old compared to a 14 year old, a teen??

    sublime137 says:

    No shit, he was/is a pedophile!!!!! A 23 year old man should know better than to be poking a 14 year old. This guy gets more and more disgusting to me. I only keep on reading to be aware of the sickness that is out there.

    JustCara says:

    If a girl tells you shes 20, and looks 16, she's 12.

    If she tells you she's 26, and looks 26, she's damned near 40.

    --Chris Rock, Champagne Room

    IvyHere says:

    No matter what age she looked at that time, he knew she was a run-away from a group home for under age youths.

    Hellfire says:

    As much as i dislike Hall i think this bs with this girl being raped by him is crap she knew what she was doing and she sure as hell knew how to run away from "juvenile detention centers regularly" she is nothing but a bad seed herself give me a brake. its like having Manson say Hall is a bad guy not him. LOL

    annonymous says:

    You are all crazy to think that this is his first time doing this kind of thing. He is crazy and needs to be put in general population so he can have done to him what he has done to others then die the way he killed Kelsey Smith - That is true justice

    IvyHere says:

    Hellfire............the law is the law, and she was only 14, and he was 23.

    Obvisoulsy this is his MO, likes the bubble gum age girls like the other one he was seeing.

    This guy is a "social retard", and probably a rapist/murderer to boot!

    Sublime137 says:

    Sorry Hellfire I agree with you on a lot of points but....... This guy is totally to freaking blame, No matter what HE was the (so called) ADULT,and should have freaking known better there is no excuse for being a pedophile PERIOD! Convict Edwin (Jack) Hall and get it over with, this guy is a creep END OF STORY. Until Jan. 08 when we will see what the future holds for Ol Jack boy all we can do is rant

    Anonymous says:

    There is a reason why it is ILLEGAL to have sex with a minor, they are incapable of making adult decisions about life including sex. Although some humans can never really think as adults it is still the responsibility of the ADULT to make the right decision and if they can't they are subject to penalties. This is just not good in any case but even more so in Hall's case. He is a sick twisted soul, and deserves everything he has coming to him.

    Bekka says:

    Someone in the biological girls home gave him a bloody nose? They should have busted his legs. So, then what happened? The girl stayed in Arizona and Hall went back to his WIFE and CHILD?

    Ivy made a very good point that this young girl told him she ran away from a group home for underage girls. No, bull there.

    It seems like Edwin Hall has a legion of young girls somehow mesmirized by him including one that has a very big mouth on a public forum. If he was counting on these young girls to keep their mouths shut he thought wrong. Now, I wonder what his wife is thingking. It's awful no matter what this young girl has gotten in trouble for that she was used like this. He's a predator, and a creep face.

    Dell says:

    How can he be living as a roomate with 2 other guys when he was married to Aletha? No wonder he couldn't pay his rent. And speaking of "Da-letha" where was she when he was burning up the highway heading to Arizona? What? he went to get some milk & came back three days later?

    Anonymous says:

    Come on His wife had to know what kind of sick twisted pervert he was/is. There is no way around that. What explanation could he have for being gone not one but a few days? Come on now, I am married and there is no way that could go unexplained AND unverified. unless you were in a freaking coma or kidnapped don't even think about coming back to my bed. I will have his crap on the front porch quick. I don't see how women can allow men to do these things and still take them back, she has got to be either real dumb or just didn't have enough self confidence to kick him to the curb. I just hope to our higher power he gets exactly what he deserves even though no punishment would bring Kelsey back he should be punished to the fullest extent. Hopefully his wife can move on and raise their son as normal as possible considering this situation

    Hellfire says:

    I will always think Hall and his wife had a open relationship that means he would have been able to go with who ever when ever he wanted to no questions asked by his wife.

    Dell says:

    And what would be her cut in the deal? Minding the house & child (AND working)???????? If that were the case, then she doesn't sound too smart. But smart or not, I'd be first in line to buy her "tell all" book!!!!!!!!!

    Bekk'S says:

    hellfire you may be right. a girl over on a forum called websleuths claims she knows hall and said he did have an open marriage. it looks like she hints at having a relationship with him.

    that has to be the case because his wife would have to know something was going on.then again the girl may be making it up because it looks like she posts alot of he said she said. she claimed she knows some of hall's friends are not allowed at his trial because they were making a mockery out of him.

    we're all hoping that the victims of hall's get some kind of justice. it's just a sin about poor kelsey.

    IvyHere says:

    Bekk'S, me thinks that girl over at the site you mentioned wants to be a 'Rock Star'and just wants attention and no one really believes her.

    12 says:

    open relationship or not this jerk off shouldn't have been sleeping with a 14 year old at the age of 23, what a looooooser!

    Anonymous says:

    Does anyone think faithful wife will show up in court again this month?


    ANONYMOUS says:

    Ivy, You have that right about Rock Star. Bekk"s must not have read some of what that girl has been saying. One post she was relaying how Hall wanted to drive her car. She's posting photographs of him. She almost seems to be turning an awful murder of an innocent, beautiful, intelligent young girl into a stage for herself.

    So, if the faitful wife doesn't show up in court next time I bet Rock Star will.

    12 is right. A grown man sleeping with a little 14 year old girl is wrong on so many levels. Perhaps we'll see Hall's wife finally take care of herself.

    IvyHere says:

    I'm thinking wanna be Rock Star is sorry she ever mentioned the "Pitch" in one of her posts!

    anonymous says:

    rock star needs to know the tammy faye baker eyelashes weren't even in style when tammy faye had them. guess she never heard of seprating them bad boys. maybe she is darleen. i was just reading what that girl wrote. blaming the victim. she asked why a 14 year old didn't get in trouble for having sex with jack hall. that girl is not right in her head if you read what she wrote on that site. maybe she is sweetness. she got a big mouth. can one human being be that stupid. i'm hoping there is going to be some kind of justice for kelsey's family. something. i'm sorry too if i am talking about the wrong girl. there is a picture of the girl on the webslehuting site.pretty sure it is all the same girl.

    Rockstarr says:

    wow. you're really making fun of my eyelashes?? Too funny. I apologize that you all dont like my opinions & posts.

    12 says:

    I think your eyelashes and the comments made about them should be the least of your worries if your defending a creep like wack job jack. You should also quit posting as a rockstar cuz you are FAR from that

    Rockstarr says:

    Are you kidding? I dont THINK im a rockstar. I dont want to BE a rockstar. Its what you crazy people said. & Im not defending him in any way. Get your fact straights :)

    12 says:

    YOU ARE POSTING AS "ROCKSTARR"!!! So how the hell do you think that looks? You are not a rockstar, AGAIN! If you are not defending him what would you call it? If me thinking Hall is a creep and deserves everything he has coming to him makes me crazy then so be it! If me thinking you are just as fucked up as that creep makes me crazy then I guess I'm crazy.

    SUPPORT THE VICTIMS says:

    12, that chick is a drama hog. Although it may difficult to ignore someone that is so needy she shouldn't be given the time of day. All anyone has to do is read her posts on that forum and they will see she fully supports Hall. You can't reason with someone who fails to see the truth, and whose main goal is to have the attention focused on herself.

    That being said we should only pray that there will be justice for Kelsey Smith and this young girl who is also a victim in more ways than one.

    The bottom line is that the dip now known as Rock Star will do anything and everything to bring this case back to her somehow. Considering she had posted negatively about a high school "friend" who was molested by a teacher, and blamed the young lady says alot about her. She also is so nasty she places blame on a 14 year old girl. She spoke of going to visit Hall in jail. She blatantly lied that Hall sent her a poem in the mail. First she doesn't know him that well and says he was such a good dad and husband and the next breath she says she drank with him and he wanted to drive her car.

    That girl couldn't tell the truth to save her life. Give her no credit. She talks out both sides of her face. Who cares about her eyelashes? She just can't fathom why Hall never hit on her or cared to bother with her. That's how desperate she is. End of the story is there are victims that have suffered at the hands of Hall, and now that we've all been made aware of someone that craves attention to the point she can't find sympathy for the victims we can ignore the child.

    May Kelsey Smith rest in peace and her family have one moment of peace. May this young lady who suffered at the hands of Hall find her way and be able to live a good, productive life. May "Rock Star" seek professional help and understand that the world does not revolve around her. 12, please ignore this loop. It's tough I know, but she's a bold face liar and karma will handle that.

    Anonymous says:

    Thanks for the reminder I have gotten sucked in to these games with one of her personalities before and I think I just don't see how some one could be so out there. I mean this chic or maybe even dude is so far out there she/he is alone.

    GuessWho says:

    Who cares who she/he is this is the internet most of the people you get on here are not qualified to judge a beauty contest let lone a murder case you got to take whats on here with a grain of salt.

    NOT A STAR says:

    The girl who is a Rock Stahhhhhhh is a beaut. A true gem. We just got done reading some of her posts and it makes for a comedy. It's very sad the circumstances of which her brilliant personality shines through. Can she scream "look at me" anymore than she does posting about Hall? If she's that way off the internet it's a crying shame.

    Anonymous says:

    Hall is going 2 fry.............I can only hope! HE IS A SORRY BASTARD! I hope justice is served, I know it won't be here in this blog, but I do hope this guy gets everything that is coming to him!

    Anonymous says:

    Fry that creep. Meanwhile there's another young girl missing from our area. How come nobody is looking for Maria Lopez? I mean media wise? There's also been a body found not too far from Belton. Please let's all say a prayer for these missing girls like Kara and Maria.

    Oh say a prayer for RockStar too that she gets a brain in her head and keeps her big yap shut. Her and her fantasy life.

    Rockstarr says:

    Im defending him because he wrote me a poem.
    You people dont know the real him. He is a good dad. I used to party with him so I know.

    anon says:

    Rockstarr says: "You people dont know the real him.He is a good dad.I used to party with him so I know."
    Wow...your crazier than I thought. That statement speaks volumes about your character.

    dell says:

    I've been out of the loop lately, whats going on with Edwin Hall? I did hear that a reporter was digging into his childhood to see why he was in states custody at age 7. Has anybody heard anything new??

    Britt says:

    The second "Rockstarr" comment wasnt me. sorry! too bad he never wrote me a poem...nice try though =)

    Britt says:

    oops i meant the third comment.

    Anonymous says:

    His childhood was so troubled poor Jack.....NOT I don't care what SYSTEM he was lost in that is not an excuse to lead that kind of life. As an adult YOU are responsible for your actions not your mummy and daddy or the state or any damn body. We all didn't come from a troubled back ground but the ones who did shouldn't use their up bringing as the excuse. I think he is just plain twisted and so is any one who defends him and if his wife is still standing by his side now, she is fucked up too!

    Anonymous2 says:

    Anonymous, he's going to get what's coming to him. Our hearts go out to the Smith family.It's just very frustrating we have to wait for this trial now.

    Regarding, Britt there above please feel sorry for her. She's a pathetic stooge. Her reality and what is reality are two different things. She's well known as a spoiled, brainless complainer who likes to slum. Hanging out with people like Hall. Maybe it made her feel more than? Better? Because people that know her can't stomach her.

    Justice for Kelsey and who cares if Hall had a bad few years of life? He's responsible. That's the way it is.

    Anonymous says:

    I caught a peek at the news and saw a story on Hall's court date being changed, does any one know if it was changed to an earlier date or if it was moved back to a later date?

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