The Church of Scientology does not want you to see L. Ron Hubbard's woman-hatin' book chapter

Religions have been editing and revising their writs for millennia. Maybe Scientology just has a way shorter half-life. Damn 20th Century literacy...

And I know this is sort of a chicken/egg question, but: if no pictures or images of Muhammad are allowed, how did the Scientologists know how to dress the guy who was representing him?

Society started on its way down the day we became so "tolerant" that we let L. Ron peddle his bs and suck people dry.

But wait, guys...I think L. Ron meant all of this as a compliment. He IS calling us creative, right?

What's the fuss? This is the most Christian they have ever sounded.

You don't understand. It is a great crime in Scientology to alter or omit any of the sacred words of Hubbard. The only reason they did this is a desperate attempt to become more mainstream. Hubbard's abject racism is being forgotten in the same way.

Whoa!!! You published several full pages from a copyrighted Scientology book?!?!? Prepare for a visit from the lawsuit fairy.

@ Space Monkey: All depends if they learned their lesson from Streisand101.
The catch 22: if they sue for copyright, then that proves it was written by Hubbard. If they don't, it's out on the internet anyway.

Society went downhill when a man could no longer beat his wife when she put too much Miracle Whip on his sandwich.

I'm really surprised no one ever mentions Hubbard's deep exploration of the occult with Jack Parsons...goetic magick, the Babylon Working, the heavy ritualistic magick they performed together...their wandering in the desert trying to retrace Crowley's works...

How is this is considered a religion? Jedi is more of a religion. I'd rather believe in the Force

This is the only part of scientology that actually makes sense.

Oddly, it just looks like Hubbard was shooting for "regular guy" elan with these passages. He may believe a bunch of weird stuff, but when it comes to women, he's just a regular guy.

I'm fascinated by the kind of stuff Thurber took on in "Let Your Mind Alone"; pop-psych tomes that dispense dubious (at least) "advice".

I remember a book that was getting tracking among the fundie crowd about 10 years ago. I forget the exact name, but it basically pitched a sort of post-war "nothin' like a dame" attitude to the woman reader; saying, in effect, being a man's dame is just nifty peachy keen. I opened the book to a random page and saw a piece of the worst advice you could give a woman who perhaps hoped to maintain a genuine relationship with a husband: Men are ego-driven, so if you truly want to make your man happy, ply him with placating, half-truth dodges that appear to entitle him to an appearance of mastery of the dialog.

Utter drek, peddled as wisdom. Just like Hubbard.

I find American society's feverish obsession with bashing Scientology ridiculously hypocritical since most are Christians. For every one chapter you find that advocates sexism in Hubbard's novel, I can point to seven in the King James Version of the Bible (and don't get me started on the Koran). Why is it so easy for people to see flaws in other religions, yet ignore the egregious illogicalities and even immorality of their own. At least scientology is willing to remove the misogyny from its book of tenets; suggest to Christians or Jews that they should remove the Pentateuch and see the reaction you'll get.

For examples of misogyny in the Bible, go to http://atheisthaven.blogspot.com/2008/03/misogyny-bible.html

Scientology is just organized religion on crack. Most religions take a bit of your monthly income over a lifetime, Scientology asks for larger checks more often. Most religions slowly brainwash their members over a long period of time, Scientology does it quickly and unashamedly. All other religions are based on collections of fairy tales of the time, Scientology goes one further and throws aliens into the mix.

Only Atheists should be allowed to make fun of Scientology. Religious folk need to see Scientology is just a parody of their own religion, and no more ridiculous.

he seems to be saying when people focus more on their careers instead of raising their children society suffers although most religions its mostly about ur own interpretation u can read it whatever way u want. i think most likely all religions are made up its more about the social message than the facts.

Scientology gave me a reason to live. I can't put a price on that.

Scientology certainly was able to put a price on that.
"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." L. Ron Hubbard.

The most interesting thing on some of Alan's Studies In Crap posts is how some people will actually DEFEND the Crap!

If I can get you to be offended about something I can ensure that you'll never take the time to truly understand it.

I find it rather amusing what is focused upon in this article. He is saying rather clearly that it is a travesty that woman are becoming more like men. And in fact damaging to our society as woman become more like men. We need woman to be woman, just as we need man to be man.

If you want to be offended by this text you can, but there is also some insight there. Maybe we should work harder at bringing out the golden bits of wisdom and less at being offended.

"When children become unimportant to society, that society has forfeited its future."

Marc, I like your phrase "golden bits of wisdom." Most of L. Ron's wisdom will cost you a lot of gold, $280,000 to be exact. If this chapter is so wise and golden than why does the CoS leave it out of reprints? Why does its thinking match exacly what the average sexist man of the 60s believed? What he is saying about society being threatened by women in the workplace sounds exactgly to me like what conservatives say today about society being threatened by gay marriage.

I hate to say it but I actually agree with that assessment.

I can understand and fully support women who don't want to take a subservient role to men. But society has taken a wrong turn when women have shaken that subservient role only to adopt the same outlook as men.

Sexist men of the 60s, 50s and earlier, downplayed the contribution of women by overvaluing their contribution to the family unit and society overall. A sexist man will point out that almost all the prominent figures throughout history are men.

Guess what? 99.9% of men end up contributing diddly squat to society and aren't George Washington or Sir Isaac Newton. The most important contribution that families make to society are their children. The traditional woman's role (which I believe no individual female should be forced to take on) in the family is by far the most important role than the role that men have traditional played.

The fact that women have entered the workforce and have flourished despite discrimination while men haven't been as near as successful as taking on the role of primary care taker shows how overstated and overemphasized being the bread winner means to a family.

If a woman wants to become a CEO, she should be encourage to do so, but if that career choice is made because she looks at being a primary care taker of the family as something less noble or diminished then there is something wrong with that picture.

Sweet Jesus, wally99 and all you other defenders of this crap. L Ron's first quote is that the decline of society begins the instant a woman is taught anything but domestic stuff. He's not musing thoughtfully about the difficulties of balancing careers and family, like you spin. No, L. Ron is arguing that girls shouldn't know ANYTHING else.

Damn straight Mo Bev!
CoS already looks terrible to 99.9% of the public...why even drudge up such things?
Indeed, I'd rather just chalk this up to past ignorances as opposed to giving L. Ron even the slightest refraction of the spoltight...

i dunno. sure from an american pov this stuff might seem barbaric but naturalist societies tend to agree with some of this crap.

Hubbard oughtta know all about the role of a woman.

He went through three of them, allowing his third wife, Mary Sue, to go to prison on his behalf. It's true. Google her.

I guess you can't have a woman taking on the role of a man, but, you can have her do a little breaking and entering and stealing of Scientology files from a Federal building because that's actually okay!

Don't turn her into a business person.....turn her into a felon!

Don't give her an office. Give her a prison cell because you weren't virile enough to do the dirty work yourself, man.

Don't let her have a career. But, if she wants to become a full-time, professional Scientology counselor, well....we'll make an exception there. Because, you see, that brings in MONEY for the church.

Don't let her have a job. But, she can be in the Sea Org and work 14 hours per day, 7 days a week for about 50 bucks. That's perfectly acceptable, you see.

And as for children....well, Hubbard's son, Quentin, killed himself at age 21 for being gay.

L. Ron Hubbard jr. spent his adult years suing and speaking out about his insane, scam-artist father.

Have I left anything out?

What a freakin' joke!

operation clambake

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Amen, Reverend Hubbard!

You guys should actually read an ENTIRE book of scientology before giving your opinion, people cant judge on something they dont know nothing about, so before you say anything read a COMPLETE scientology book, IGNORANTS.

http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/

Old windbag Hubbard, drug addled, racist, chauvinistic, bigamous criminal con-artist, was able to pack more crap into a page of text than a retarded monkey on crack, a shameless liar and charlatan who created a soul devouring monster whose victims will(and do)spend years trying to sort out their minds, if they are even able to so after ingesting his manipulative mind-fuck.
Go ahead and read his drek, make sure to have a bucket handy and some good eye-bleach, yikes.

Hubbard was a crazy loon. We all know that. The sad part is how many gullible people have been suckered into Scientology and it's ridiculous teachings. If you follow this religion, you are a fool. Yes a fool. And they know a fool and his/her money are soon parted. So prepare to empty your bank accounts on your idiotic quest to Clear.

A woman's only difference from a man, seems to be that she has a vagina, and titties.

Why should a physical difference dictate what a woman should mentally become. The brain of a woman is equal to the brain of a man.

Alright, here I go. The disabled should not go about life in any way which might cause for people to think they are like those who aren't disabled, because they are disabled, and their role in life is to look and act disabled, and support those who are not disabled - in fact, get as creative as you like with the supporting part. Just don't have too many goals or aspirations. Because, you are still disabled. Don't question this either, you're just being paranoid. Nobody is trying to antagonize you.

FUCK YOU HUBBARD. WHEN YOUR INTELLECT ALLOWS YOU A SPARE MOMENT, COME AND LICK MY UNTAMED, CHILD-PUMPING VAGINA. FUCKIN' YEAH!

p.s I am an atheist.

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